LZX Gen3 Modular Releases 2021-2022

Any DSG3, ESG3, and DWO3 updates?

ESG3/DSG3 production units are built and awaiting production firmware release before shipment (we are fine tuning performance of a few features.) We’re on the cusp of an announcement here, as well as with TBC2.

DWO3 has undergone another PCB layout revision that’s wrapping up this week, but we expect to go into production when those boards arrive in early July.

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Are all new orders for ESG3/DSG3/DWO3 going to be part of a second batch or is there some availability left from the first run?

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We are ahead on current orders, meaning there are assemblies built which are unallocated. There isn’t a fixed batch size that correlates to a grouped delay, since production on Gen3 modules is all in house and coming from shared parts stock (so we can just build more based on demand, with fast turnaround – instead of batching things 6-12 weeks apart). For example, we’ve managed to keep FKG3/SMX3 in stock since release, with some short gaps. If you want to be 100% sure you are ordering from stock-on-shelf it would probably be best to check with us after the initial shipments go out and the dust settles. We may have some ready to ship immediately, or we may be filling a rush of new orders – it’s impossible to say at the moment.

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Appreciate the transparency!

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Where did you see the TBC2 video in IG? Was it a clip from the streams Nick had been making on the LZX Twitch channel?

Regarding dates, this is definitely worth reading!

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It was in stories. You can see it in the Gen3 highlights (from the LZX profile).

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Is the quadrature mode a scrapped idea? I haven’t heard/seen anything about it in Nick’s streams

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For DWO3? I think a quadrature core VCO is something we’ve decided to save for a different module, likely one that involves multipliers and thru-zero FM. DWO3’s primary identity settled as a wide range triangle/saw/sine/square generator, and the compact 6HP per oscillator footprint.

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Ah, gotcha. I went pretty far back in the thread looking for info on DWO3, and was reading about the quadrature concept. I have one DWO3 ordered and am debating whether or not to go for another, or to find another VCO solution. TZFM and multipliers sound pretty tasty!

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Combining SMX3 and FKG3 with some Expedition series modules like Marble Index/Color Chords/Mapper combos is pretty sweet!!! Curious how “Color Wheel” will play out against Mapper.

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from what was shown of color wheel we will be able to hue rotate an entire RGB input vs just a single hue input for mapper
that will be wild!
honestly it would still be nice to have a mapper though…
just imagine taking a TBC2 output
RGB into color wheel and Y into mapper
and then controlling both modules in different ways and recombining
or honestly even using a Baja or other quadrature oscillator then putting both color wheel and mapper into FKG for color keying them against each other.

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@wednesdayayay Used Mapper are selling at reasonable prices on Reverb. I confirmed it works with HD timings with my ESG3, and looks awesome in HD. :blush: :+1:

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There’s no reason that any LZX compatible video module released to date, apart from those with sync connections, will not work with HD timings.

If it doesn’t have a sync connection, it will just work in any available sync format. There’s no real caveats or gotchas to it.

Would it help everyone if there was a chart?

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This post covers HD compatibilities well, but a spreadsheet / chart would be great for quick reference :joy: Any volunteers in the community that love making infographics?

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without bandwidth tests, saying something works in HD is unhelpful. so it passes a signal. its akin to saying an audio module works for video synthesis. yes it passes a signal, but does it look like a blurry potato taken on a nokia 7650?
i pray for the day when bandwidth measurements are included in specs, or at least third party evaluations.

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Totally appreciate that point and agree that specific bandwidth measurements published per module would more concretely answer this question.

The intent with my phrasing is to hopefully avoid concerns from users that their LZX Visionary/Expedition, BSO, Reverselandfill, Syntonie, OmiiIndustries, VisibleSignals, FoxingHour, etc. modules without sync connections will just flat out not work at all with the new Gen3 series and potentially lead to them selling modules in advance that will still offer value in their system.

Most modules will probably look just fine but I’d wager at least some modules will exhibit a degree of slight softening with external HD footage. Nowhere near how a typical audio module would unrecognizably smear the hell out of an image but still technically present.

I look forward to more concrete numbers that can empirically show the true bandwidth limits of each module. I just don’t have the right test equipment or knowledge to comprehensively clarify that question.

For now, I’d suggest actually trying modules in HD signal paths before getting rid of them and see if it’s acceptable to your own tastes.

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as long as no sync they will work with hd timings, for sure.
i want to process video at the crispiest quality possible so im on the hunt for this info

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a bandwidth info would be really handy!

my personal thought:
for now its fine to use older modules without having direct comparison to a gen3 equivalent (for example staircase - stairs /or/ passage - proc), because the step to hd is already a huge quality gain.

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Mapper with DSG3 is awesome!!!

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