Capture and recording interface recommendations

Anyone tried this?

It may also be a solution for getting component into Andrei Jay devices. Like his upcoming gravity waaaves HD mixer

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We use the Magewell SDI to usb at work and they are very durable. Not sure about the overall image quality but it passes 1080 pretty well for our use-case.

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Retiring my BMIS and needing to capture RSG3 w a trash can Mac Pro, which is only Thunderbolt 2. Have read through this thread, but am still totally confused. Please help!

I’m guessing that you meant ESG3, not RSG3. I was scratching my head on that. ā€œI’m trying to think but nothing happensā€, yeah I’m the last guy to ''get it" when we see a car with a funny personalized license plate.

I’m sure that others will post their recommendations.

In my case, I had a real budget for gear at that time. I bought a BM Analog to SDI mini converter and a BM HyperDeck Studio HD Mini. I believe in the old saying 'buy once, cry once". I really like the HyperDeck, it has an FTP server built in, so easy to just push the record button without having to move across the room to my computer.

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I have a Hyperdeck Shuttle and a 240 GB drive. That let’s me record 23 mins of HD video. Unlike the Studio model, it can’t format new drives, and it doesn’t like my 2 TB drive formated by a Win10 machine. The red LED flashes and I get errors on playback. Perhaps the drive is too big. When I can, I’ll test it with a smaller drive. 500 GB, maybe.

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Hello, does anyone know if the Blackmagic Design UltraStudio 4K (TB2) has any hang ups with the OS you’re using, as the BM Intensity Shuttle does? Still looking for a capture solution from my ESG3 to my MacBook Pro. Thx!

Thanks again for being part of this awesome community!

Some answers of questions nobody has asked :rofl: - but maybe it could be useful for people starting on this topic like me two months ago, saving a lot of money :thinking:

I do not own any LZX-module yet (shame!)
Core modules of my setup are currently two Erogenous Tones Structure!

Capture devices mentioned here are reflecting some personal experiences for MacOS (can’t comment on any solution for Windows).

Everybody recommended the Black Magic Intensity Shuttle, which works perfectly fine, a long as you are working on an INTEL MAC. Newer M1 or M2 Macs are not supported!

For my M2 MacBook Pro (2023) the Black Magic 3G recorder is a super choice as a capture card (not even expensive)!

I made a comparison video on Intensity Shuttle (capture and upscaler) and 3G recorder + cheapo-upscalers:

Since I wanted to get away from all those adapter and upscaler-/capture-combinations,
I gave the Black Magic Ultra Studio Mini a try:

Here, I was able to capture, but was not able to upscale to 1080 (the settings were grayed out in BM-Media express, but I also failed in OBS). No Idea, what went wrong here (maybe related to M2 - I don’t know). Super annoying fact (at least for me): you her the fan running ALL THE TIME!

My current (and final solution) is the combination of a RetoTink 5Xpro and the Black Magic Recorder 3G:

Quality of the RetroTink is absolutely awesome!

Still off my to-do list:
Rescanning of my tiny 5" PVM-6041QM with a Black Magic Pocket 4k (Sigma 56mm f 1.4)

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You have a good set of hardware, I think. I started equally small, or perhaps smaller - just a pair of LZX modules and a composite to DVI converter for monitoring (and I soon upgraded the monitoring). So I’d say you’re way past that point now.

I recommend upscaling in post-production, maybe in a video editor. (I use FFmpeg.) However, I find upscaling only makes sense when I’m combining SD and HD video. I’ve explored some other compositing/post-production techniques recently.

Rescanning at 4K sounds like a good move. There may be some advice on that elsewhere on this forum. BTW, I use short focal lengths for video feedback. So I recommend trying that too.

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Thanks! Honestly - I never thought of upscaling in post (but I would have to convert the composite signal to HDMI anyway - in order to capture). Moreover, I wanted to have a rescanned picture of the LCD on my desk.

I try to work with an A -roll (BMPC) filming me and my ā€œperformanceā€, B-roll is a live mix of media player, security cam of an different angle compared to BMPC and a mix of the Structures.

Re-scanning would be a C-roll (but not from a live recording - since I have only one BMPC :rofl:)

Music in this example rather on the experimental side (typically my stuff is between techno, house and idm):

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@acidk - getting in the weeds here a bit, but did you need to do anything special in macOS to get your Blackmagic 3G (is it the UltraStudio Mini Recorder?) working with your M1? Running into a wall with mine :face_with_spiral_eyes:

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It’s the Ultra StudioRecorder 3G - as shown on the earlier post above.

With the UltraStudio MINI HD I was able to capture, but was unable to upscale.

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The BMD HyperDeck HD Mini does not perform any upscaling or downscaling. The menu setting had me confused as well. The manual says the Default Standard setting is for playback when a video file has more than one video format. The device always records using the format of the input stream.

From the manual:

A good example is if you have turned on a HyperDeck Studio, it has no video input connected and you insert a disk with files on it with 2 different video standards. Which video standard should the HyperDeck play? The default video standard will give it an indication which video standard you prefer and it will switch to that format and play those files.

The default video standard is also useful when you first turn on a HyperDeck, and it has no video input and no media disk inserted. In this case, the HyperDeck Studio does not know which video standard to use for the monitoring output. The default video standard will guide it on what to do.

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It’s a similar situation with recording. If you press record, the HyperDeck will just record whatever video standard is connected to the video input.

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Thanks - but:

You are mentioning the HyperDeck HD Mini:

I tried to get going on the UltraStudio Mini HD?

Cheers

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Since the changes are in the controller not the cable, only difference should be in futureproofing and what data rate it supports up to, I would imagine?

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yes, you’d expect that - although I’ve seen reports of some cables not working… the belkin T4 cable I bought definitely does work with the 3G recorder though!

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Something I haven’t seen mentioned in this thread yet is devices from Osprey like the 460e 4 channel capture card. They’re PCIe cards that are Windows / Linux only (no Mac), but the drivers are far and away the best of any capture device I’ve used. They feature configuration options that go well beyond any other device I’ve used, even high-end ones (BMD, Magewell, Epiphan). The drivers even have video scope views built-in. I run mine in an external Thunderbolt to PCIe chassis without any issues. They are EOL so you have to find them used, but they show up on eBay for $200 or so fairly regularly. The Windows 10 drivers work fine under Windows 11.

Also, I’ve never really had big problems with USB 3.0 BMD Intensity Shuttles. I think the chipset compatibility issues really only applied to first gen USB 3.0 chipsets. That said you absolutely need full bandwidth to the device for it to be happy, so if you’re trying to run it off a standard hub with some other stuff attached you might be in for a bad time. I have 4 of them running simultaneously hooked up to a CalDigit Thunderbolt 4 Element Hub that has 4 5.0 Gbps USB-A ports. Again, no problems running these in Windows 11, but I think they’ll only run on Intel Macs.

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Nice about the capture cards, this is something I was wondering for a while…

So it would be expected that an Apple Mac mini M1 16 Gt, 512 Gt (MGNT3 late 2020) and the BMD Ultra Studio HD Mini would be a good combo?

The Mac has a TB3.

I’m using the ESG3 as my output.

I find all this stuff so damn confusing I decided to ask you guys for affirmation.